Like, some chick named Wylla, or a fishermans wife from the Sister Islands. So I feel alike to hear some opinions on the matter about the nature of his relationship. The Dornish princes actions arent inconsistent because we dont know anything about his character. And what that will be might require Bran and the choices that he makes. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. He gives into Melisandre and burns the girl alive. Wow. However, this could be the reason why no one seems eager to support Stannis's claim to the throne. Even with the rules on his side, he's had to fight for everything he's ever gotten. According to actor Stephen Dillane's Wikipedia page (opens in new tab), he'll be back as Stannis Baratheon in Season 8. Because Selyse has birthed several stillborn sons, Stanis resents her and treats her poorly. Dorne also has a long and proud history of being independent, and they should be in a strong position at the end of season 8 since their armies went untouched in the recent wars, but this random unnamed prince just handed over Dorne to the Starks? For me, after watching GOT, (in the book he is a 10-year-old boy) and knowing Brans story there is NOTHING in it that would have made any sane, practical, human being make him king. Maester Cressen, who knew Stannis as a boy, notes that people think of Stannis as "hard" (1.Prologue.80) because that's totally what he is. After the events of last night's episode, I doubt that poor Selyse will ever recover. This quote certainly makes it ambiguous as to whether or not Stannis gave the order. Theres not really a good reason on the show for why the nobles chose Bran, but they were going to have to choose someone to satisfy the Unsullied and get them out of the capital (that was my take) and the Starks had a bigass army outside the walls. Maybe not Azor Ahai reborn, but Bran is magical. You were a hero and a smuggler" (43.Davos.78). A face took shape within the hearth. Stannis died (or really seemed to at least) at the end of Season 5. To summarize, both Renly and Stannis are middle sons, with heroic kingly older brothers and younger brothers vulnerable to being political pawns. She covers entertainment, geek culture, and pop culture and has covered everything from the Sundance Film Festival, NYFF, and Tribeca to New York Comic Con and Con of Thrones. His parents were Lord Steffon Baratheon and Cassana Estermont. Since Joffrey is not Robert's true son, Stannis is technically the rightful Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, the King of the Andals, and a host of other fancy titles. Stannis declares himself the one true King ; however, most of the Baratheon bannermen support the claim of his younger and more charismatic brother Renly, as does the powerful House Tyrell due to Renly's marriage to Margaery Tyrell. How many men did Stannis take to the wall? i think the point that made all of the lords and ladies at the pit come to the conclusion that Westeros has had enough of people claiming(!) A Clash of Kings, Bran III, Robert could piss in a cup and men would call it wine, but I offer them pure cold water and they squint in suspicion and mutter to each other about how queer it tastes. Stannis ground his teeth. Interesting article with food for thought. I havent the time to read through it now but I will definitely come back to do so and maybe even comment. Its not entirely clear why Melisandre is so convinced that Stannis Baratheon is her foretold savior, Azor Ahai. but first, theres Sam. After Robert's death, Stannis would have immediately proclaimed himself King. The stern-faced king wasn't the most popular choice to be King of Westeros. You put crippled in quotes as if I said that. Renlys quest to become king was largely enabled by the ambitions of the powerful and rich House Tyrell, who sought to gain political power by using Renly and his weaker claim as an excuse to displace their largest rivals, the Lannisters. the advantage for the houses in chosing their king instead of getting a royal baby announced they will have to bow to bc tradition is clear in a country devastated by wars. Just likes opining about the show. (This is also a wrong answer, but its a cool answer. BROB has placed you in Stannis's mind during: 1) The burning of the Seven, Dragonstone, at the start of ACOK. Martin offers an exciting update, House of the Dragons best Rhaenyra change fixes the books biggest flaw, House of the Dragon was better than Rings of Power for one underrated reason. Its becoming clearer who the best contender for the next King of the Andals and the First Men should be. And, if we accept Lady Catelyns observation: childishness. A green tent, candles, a woman screaming. Bran rules (with Maester Luwins kind assistance) as The Stark In Winterfell after the rest of his family departs to the South; Bran leads a very diverse group of adventurers out of Winterfell, Beyond The Wall, escaping from Wildings, Nights Watch deserters, and wights to reach the Three-Eyed Raven; Bran carefully and subtly influences other parties at Winterfell after his return; Bran helps plan the defense of Winterfell against the Army of the Dead. The HBO series saw Stannis (Stephen Dillane) make an increasing number of moral and ethical concessions in his pursuit of power, only to end up paying the price for those decisions in the Season 5 finale. Each established a legendary reputation for military success during their rebellion, with Robb never losing a battle and Robert although not undefeated like Robb leading his army to a record-breaking three victories in one day. He was the elder of King Robert I Baratheon's two younger brothers, the youngest being Lord Renly Baratheon. We already lost characters in the show who are still alive in the books, and Stanniss possible death would be a hard loss for more than just his fans. She was not beautiful. ***"The one true king."So, here's to another wonderful character butchered. It would have been sad, but she could have saved Arya somehow. Bran: How unfortunate for you. He is married to Selyse Florent, with whom he has one daughter, Shireen. Ah, I hadnt heard this. That seems like a much more logical step to me. But stabbing him in the back by way of magical assassin? It would seem that you are the one who has forgottenStannis, Catelyn said, more sharply than shed intended. For no real reason. Nothing. In fact, it was Sansa who pointed out that Bran couldnt have children, which is a mark against him being king. Comparing characters in a written work is a compelling activity, becausecharacter similarities and differences are often intended by the writer to be noticed, even if the readers perception of these attributes operates unconsciously. Unfortunately, it seems to be par for the course these days. Burn. He still has a ways to go when it comes to giving fatherly hugs, but hes still the Mannis in our books. While the swords and dragonglass will do their job, they alone wont win a war. When Bran urged her on, she took them easily. The Winds of Winter will be released whenever George R. R. Martin finishes writing it. Stannis should be technically be the king but he wasn't and until he actually won the iron throne it would be as much his as it was Daenerys'. They did nothing. The best leaders are those who are beloved by their people and are interesting and charismatic. When he was alive, he and Robb Stark were my favorite characters.After they died it was Daenerys. the throne was: Edmures try of an application speech and Sansa shutting him down. As a result, hes done horrific things that have yielded very little pay-off. Tywin Lannister was a ruthless patriarch who blamed Tyrion for killing his wife, Stanniss brother Robert was a womanizer who largely ignored his children (though they werent technically his), Jaime hasnt really done anything as the real father of those children, and Roose told his only son he was a product of rape. But he didnt, instead bringing on the feels train as he told her of his efforts to save her life and cure her when everyone else wanted him to abandon her. She also sees Jon Snow, who is an excellent Azor Ahai candidate and has a strong claim to the Iron Throne. Beyond the wide oak-and-iron doors, eight long rows of trestle tables filled Winterfells Great Hall, four on each side of the center aisle. During Robert's Rebellion, Stannis was in charge of defending the Baratheon castle of Storm's End. However, this could also lead to more conflict. Death Scene of King Stannis Baratheon How did Davos betray Stannis? Posted on May 21, 2015Updated on May 28, 2021, 7:02 pm CDT. < Again, I didnt hate this scene, I just thought everything wrapped up a bit too neatly there. Or not? pic.twitter.com/HdASlxma3M. (This is the wrong answer. and this is actually what all of the houses and regions and lords and ladies need most after all the years of bleeding. Instead of thinking like the solider he once was, Stannis has turned to The Lord of Light and the priestess Melisandre to guide him. updated May 15, 2015 + View Interactive Map Stannis Barathen is the Lord of Dragonstone. If Bran is a kind of improved version of Stannis, then his untold story in the books might adopt more elements from Stannis narrative journey. That could have been her destiny just as her brothers destiny was to sacrifice himself for Bran. (Ill get back to you, and I do appreciate the feedback and your support. I still dream about it every night and I think that Mr. Benioff and Mr. Weiss wrote it beautifully. But, it doesnt make it true, necessarily. But more than anything, theres just not much for Stannis to do in the books after the conflict in the North between the Boltons and the Starks comes to an end. So, how did they react to Danys death? Tyrion said they should ignore the line of succession because the sons of kings/queens are often terrible like Joffrey. During Robert's Rebellion, Davos saved Stannis and his men from starvation at the Siege of Storm's End. If any other kingdom was going to secede, the dragon pit was their opportune moment. Which would then make Bran exactly like Stannis. I know that Stannis is Azor Ahai because he is the rightful king. It did not have to be. King Joffrey I Baratheon was the eighteenth king to rule from the Iron Throne and the second king of the Baratheon dynasty. Enter your email address to subscribe to WotW and receive notifications of new posts by email. All these things you mention would work much better in book form not TV. So if the end mirrors the beginning, he will have the last as well. Tensor the Mage, Who Does Sometimes Wonder Which Show Other Viewers Were Watching. Stannis seems to have some inkling about Jon Snow's parentage and he attempts to manipulate the Lord Commander into getting the Night's Watch the fight for him. Answer 1) No one of importance. I like the new theory that Bran is Dreaming himself as King of the Six Kingdoms. King Tommen, while a while lot nicer than his older brother Joffrey, just isnt cutting it. Renly was the first Baratheon to declare himself king in defiance of the Lannisters, with much pomp and celebration. Stannis Baratheon: the Prototype for King Bran Stark Posted on January 8, 2020 by Patrick Sponaugle Game of Thrones the TV show is over, but the book series A Song of Ice and Fire remains unfinished, and there's no reason not to speculate on what might happen in the books to come, as well as what elements from the show might happen in the books. Stannis may not have thought it important to teach his Hand how to read (thank Shireen for that), but he sure as hell made it important for him to speak properly. I agree that Dany and Stannis have a ton of parallels plot wise, and youre not wrong to push back on My Stannis-Bran thoughts. The LightKing: Young Dragon: Dorne has never once in the duration of the entire series expressed any desire for Dorne to gain independence. Sir Thomas Mallory had a handful of lesser kings in Le Morte DArthur with whom Arthur could be favorably compared, but his decision to include the love triangle of Sir Tristan, Queen Isolde, and the unsavory King Mark of Cornwall was specifically intended to be the yardstick against which Lancelot, Queen Guinevere, and King Arthur were to be measured against. After learning of Renly's death, an enraged Loras slays three of the king's guards, including Ser Emmon Cuy and Ser Robar Royce of the Rainbow Guard. Yara knew the Iron Islands are unsustainable on their own, and gave up being queen. Well, I had a hard time with this show. It was also such a sad goodbye when Bran could only say an unfeeling thank you. There is no basis set in the previous 72 episodes that established that Tyrion would be interested in a Dune like character as the king. Jon failed with Mance and ultimately turned Stannis down because he had his vows. This makes no sense. Despite his low-born status, Stannis Baratheon's most trusted adviser is Ser Davos Seaworth. Nonsense, the show-only watchers love intrigue, legend, and mystery as much as the rest of us.They arent shallow idiots just because they didnt read the books. Dorne was a sovereign kingdom before the invasion of Aegon the Conqueror, and weathered his attack to remain one afterwards, the only one of the Seven Kingdoms to retain its independence. Is there a chance the dream in question is Martins way of foreshadowing a moment still to come, when Daenerys Targaryen and her dragons face an army of White Walkers led by an undead Stannis Baratheon? Out of everyone else in his life, Shireen seemed to keep Stannis moving forward. Melisandre: Stannis is the rightful king because he is our lord, Azor Ahai reborn. Devos is essentially the only voice of reason in Stannis' household. Even though Joffrey was illegitimate, Renly still should have stood behind Stannis. "How the-" Jessica stopped dumbfounded in the middle of the hall causing Tyrion to nearly trip. Grey Worm also had greater leadership experience and was important is the defense. You are entitled to whatever opinion you like of the show you watched; I cant speak to your opinion, as I never watched that show. Since converting to The Lord of Light, Stannis doesn't seem to be able to make any sound decisions for himself. There is NOTHING in Brans story shown in the previous 72 episodes of GOT that provided any basis for him to be king. Stannis was marching south into peril, the king who carried the fate of the world upon his shoulders, Azor Ahai reborn. His horrific defeat during "The Battle of the Blackwater" didn't even deter him. "I - we've, we've hidden that. But will the shows softening of this hard character spell his doom? They saw her rise from fire twice and they followed her across the Narrow Sea to win Westeros for her. Yes, SB, BROB is at it again. . Why is that so hard? He is the father of Shireen Baratheon . So, he ran his fathers household under the supervision of elders in the absence of his mother, went with a group of caretakers to the three-eyeds cave, played part in the defense of his family home where he was mainly protected by others. It did not have to be obvious going forward in the story but when we look back it should make sense. Despite her disability, Stannis treated his only child with reverence and pride. Besides, Theon died for Bran, so she voted for him as a way of honoring his memory. Yeah, its much easier when you have a favorite character wire to wire. Most of those captured during the battle bend the knee to Joffrey, including men sworn to Dragonstone. I also notice that while Sam switched in his povs from "King" to "Stannis Baratheon" or "Lord Stannis", Jon always thinks of him as "The King". Yara wanted the Ironborn to be granted independence in season 6, yet by the end of season 8 she kinda forgot about that and was completely cool with being ruled by Bran. Stannis declares himself the one true King; however, most of the Baratheon bannermen support the claim of his younger and more charismatic brother Renly, as does the powerful House Tyrell due to Renly's marriage to Margaery Tyrell. Hes crucial, and Stannis recognizes that. Whereas Bran seems more like the real deal. Calling it certainly a take is fine, but why is it wrong as a point of comparison? Despite his ruthless determination, Stannis would never take King's Landing. Already he works with the ravens, since you can no longer climb to the rookery. and it wouldnt matter, other than to water down what Sansa is doing. This conversation was also the reason why Tyrion later proposed Bran as King. Asha is his capture and Deepwood Motte is restored to House Glover He had made. (The Battle of Winterfell hasnt happened yet in the narrative ofA Song of Ice and Fire, so we dont know either.). Promo photos for House of the Dragon's ninth episode, "The Green Council"! I found it bizarre that everyone didnt raise an eyebrow after Sansa declared independence. We believe he is fond of the maester and truly doesn't want the man killing himself in his service. After the defeat at Blackwater, Davos makes a desperate attempt on Melisandre's life. He constantly questions the legitimacy of Melisandre and the Lord of Light, and he often urges Stannis to try and make allies. During his tenure as the prince of Winterfell, Bran received a similarly-described individual with a specific color palette, who would support the magical initiation that had started with Brans crow-haunted dreams. TheReal_Rebel Members 681 A Clash of Kings, Bran II. but: by being so old schoolishly self confident, he passes the ball to Sansa for her to end the game. Before setting off on comparing Bran to Stannis, its worth comparing their older and younger brothers as a unit. Maybe the conversation would not have ended with Tyrion saying if Daenerys goes nuts then I think you should be king. Stannis Baratheon - Still kicking. I just need to collect my thoughts and give due consideration to your questions and its dinnertime. Egad! Each should have its own reward. However, his throne has been usurped by the Baratheons of Kings Landing, bastards born of incest between Cersei and Ser Jaime Lannister, the Kingslayer. I would really be interested in hearing Brans story from Meeras POV. ), Bran had never asked to be a prince. He even allowed Jon and Tormund to take his ships to Hardhome. Of course he is. The books will probably be different in major ways from the show, but if we take some of the endgame elements as given: Bran being king, Jon in exile, Stannis dead, then the Stannis > Bran focus (with Jon in the middle) satisfies one of George RR Martins favorite storytelling element: the threefold reveal. 2022 BDG Media, Inc. All rights reserved. I've never been a fan of Stannis Baratheon. This is the meaning in the first place. O. Come to think of it.Tormund could be king of the Westeros if this is all was needed to qualify. Thats certainly not enough to establish a strong literary connection between these two groups, but all of the brothers have associations with their respective counterparts. But Brans crippling accident took away more than the use of his legs, it took away his dreams. LadyGoodman: After that he loses the battle of the Blackwater because of Wildfire and flees. A Clash of Kings, Prologue. 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